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my name is debbie ziglemeier and i'm the

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missouri mufon state director

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i got interested in ufos because

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i grew up in arizona in the southwestern

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corner

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of arizona and as a child

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as a child i wasn't all that interested

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in tv i was interested in getting

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outside and playing my brother and i

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were the only two out of six kids that

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have always had telescopes

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so at night time when most kids were in

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the house playing or watching tv i was

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outside either with my telescope or i

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would crawl up on the roof of the garage

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we had this large

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six foot wall with kind of a a step at

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the beginning of it so i could

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make my way across the wall jump about a

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foot

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onto the garage and i'd lay on the top

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of the garage

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and watch the stars when

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star trek came out

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i just i knew it was fantasy but i

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thought there has to be something real

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out there so i guess that's what got me

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interested in ufos was i would

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look at the stars and i think that's

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just great that they're out there

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visiting i want to do it too

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following the the whole star trek

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interest they back years ago in st

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louis they had started having star trek

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reunions

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so i went to all the all the speaker all

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the reunions i

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i went to the big i think it was the

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25th anniversary

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of the entire original cast in pasadena

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i have i've met all the star trek

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characters i've got all their autographs

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and then i got to the point where i

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thought you know i'm beyond this

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i i'm tired of the fantasy there's so

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much reality out there

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i'd always been interested in ufos and

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i'd always had

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ufo books i'd sit and doodle ufos i just

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i was i just had a real fascination with

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it

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so i got to the point where i was beyond

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the fantasy and i wanted to start

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investigating the reality of it

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and the more and more i checked into it

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the more i found out

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was out there so i was looking one week

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in a

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mufon meeting locally

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i went to the mufon meeting and i was

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hooked immediately and i think this was

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1998.

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within two years i had joined mufon

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become a mufon field investigator

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and in 2009 i became a mufon the mufon

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missouri mufon state director

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and about three years ago i believe

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i was asked to join the mufon board of

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directors

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at first as an interim board member and

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in the last i think was last year i

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became

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a permanent member or actually a full

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member of the mufon board of directors

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business board of directors

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so i started out

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i started out with a general interest

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the more that i found out the more that

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i wanted to know

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i was an independent investigator long

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before

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i started being an investigator for

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mufon so my brother

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chuck zukowski and i would get together

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three times a year we would pick holiday

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weekends

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where there was a three-day holiday make

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turned it into a four-day holiday

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and set out with a plan the plan never

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worked

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we we started out one time at the

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san luis valley from there we decided

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that we

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we spent one night there and decided to

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go on into roswell

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and we went up in the mountains and

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and decided we were going to do a

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lookout

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and see if we could see something and we

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ended up debunking

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an animal mutilation that had happened

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we were in the area where the next day

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somebody went into

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the ufo museum there in roswell

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and they said there was an animal

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mutilation and this animal was dropped

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a large triangle-shaped craft and we

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stood and looked at each other and then

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i said that didn't happen we were there

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and there was nobody else there but us

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that started a whole series of events

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from that

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one instance i went from being an

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amateur investigator

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to a full-on professional investigator

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from there

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my brother and i were asked to be um on

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a tv special which

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ended up we were on a um an

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archaeological dig

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we we were on roswell startling new

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evidence in 2002

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so we did an archaeological dig there at

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the debris site

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we're asked back again in 2006 for

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another

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i think it was a ufo hunters episode

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that started the hands-on trace

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evidence investigating rather than just

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investigating through the internet and

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books i got my

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more hands-on and from there

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i asked to be assigned more mufon cases

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and i think at this point i might add

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about a thousand investigations that

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i've done

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along with becoming a field investigator

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for mufon in 2000 in 2001

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i became a certified scuba diver

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and i thought gee there's so much that's

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happening in and around water

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somebody needs to combine these two i

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found out mufon didn't have a mufon dive

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team they had an expert in everything

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else

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i did some research on it at least one

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the earth 70 percent of the earth is

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covered in water and it's the perfect

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place to hide

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so my interest started gearing more

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toward what's going on in and around the

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water

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i was surprised at how many sightings

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involved

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things coming in and out of ponds in and

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out of the ocean

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there's there's just there's so many

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sightings

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that um there's there's probably as many

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water sightings

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as there are land sightings but they're

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just not talked about as much

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they're hid more because a lot of it is

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sightings that are by military

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and a lot of sightings by fishermen and

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one of the earliest sightings was a

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sighting that columbus

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christopher columbus had coming to north

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america

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he had a ufo sighting was in his journal

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a strange light that was bobbing up and

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so my interest is focused on the water

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but as far as

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sightings in the state of missouri i

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i'm interested in the craft sightings

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because we have we have a lot of strange

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craft

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that have been cited especially around

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my area

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most of the ufo sightings involved in

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and around water

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are too deep for a recreational diver to

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dive in

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a recreational diver is limited to 130

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there are tech divers that have gone

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down as much as

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400 feet average and it but coming up

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they're able to stay down a half an hour

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or so coming up involves an average of

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five hours of decompression before they

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can come back to the surface so it's

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it's not really a good way to do an

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investigation when you've got about a

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half an hour maybe in dark

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conditions and and limited visibility

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so what we're looking at now are

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investigations that involve water

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entry or something that's coming out of

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the water some type of ufo that's come

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in and out of the water or some kind of

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anomaly

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that's diveable 130 foot or less

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i'm looking at a lot of different places

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back in 1973

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there were ufos seen coming in and out

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of clearwater lake in missouri

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that's one of our dives on the list

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lights reported in and around the lake

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and so we'd like to go back over there

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and have a look

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we also are looking at and when i say we

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i'm referring to the mufon dive team

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mufon does have an expert scuba diving

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and we're looking at a place in

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that i was just made aware of that has

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some anomalies and some activity in and

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around that area

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um i was also approached by someone

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who's

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involved in the bosnian pyramids

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and they want me to come down go to

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bosnia

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and and dive in um these these

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passageways

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underneath the pyramids that's something

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also that's diveable whether or not

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safe i'm not sure but i'm very

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interested in that so

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i'm looking at several projects

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and so when you talk about ufos coming

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out of the water there's a lot of it

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that's coming in and out of um there's

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there's been sightings for

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years avalon um avalon bay

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which is catalina island in california

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that's something that's really

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not dive-able i've been diving there but

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it's not a place where you could go down

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two thousand three thousand feet and see

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something as a diver

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so um we're we're doing the

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investigation

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under our diving certification limits

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now what i would like to do

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later on once we get more established in

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the public i'm hoping that somebody will

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be able

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to come forward and give us access to an

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unmanned underwater vehicle

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in 2000 along with everything else that

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started in my life in 2000

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a january of 2014 police departments

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saw a ufo in illinois just across the

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river from me so it was dupo

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i believe it was carondelet there were

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there were four police departments and

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as it went from one precinct to the next

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they were reporting it it got to duple

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this large craft got as far as dupo the

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mississippi river and then turned around

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had it come over the river it would have

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come right over my house

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i focused on what was going on in my

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what was going on in missouri and how i

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in finding out the truth about what was

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in 2001 i went to a family reunion

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springs my brother chuck zukowski

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and i started talking about our

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investigation

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come to find out we were running the

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same kind of investigations we're doing

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the same thing he was investigating

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roswell i was investigating roswell

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although i hadn't been there he had so

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we teamed up as far as i know we're the

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only brother

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sister ufo investigating team we

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investigated roswell for about 10 years

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we started on different projects and in

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2009

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we started getting calls about animal

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mutilations

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the first one came to chuck in march of

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2009

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in colorado springs he went out and did

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an investigation

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and got kind of a rapport with the

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ranchers and so

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when another cow mutilation would occur

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the rancher

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would inform that rancher or his name

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got known

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and he became the the mufon director of

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animal mutilations

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well the animal relations i found out

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started

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spreading to missouri in 2010 and 11

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we had were the first mutilations they

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weren't called into missouri right away

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but by default

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by then 2009 i became the state director

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i ended up being the animal mutilation

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uh expert from missouri so what was kind

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of funny was that my brother and i

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started out together teaming up about

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roswell

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in 2001 2001 2002

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and now we're the animal mutilation

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experts just by default in from two

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different states

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so the majority of these are going on

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that are being reported are going on

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in colorado and going on in missouri so

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somehow but

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by default we ended up teamed up again

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for something totally different than our

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expertise

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and it i mean it's intriguing because we

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can compare notes

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a lot of the the commonalities that we

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have

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with the animal mutilations in missouri

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are the same commonalities that he's

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having

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in colorado when the rancher calls us

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they're not calling us because they're

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curious about what happened they're more

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calling us because they're panicked

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about what happened

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i talked to a rancher yesterday and he's

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been a rancher

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uh four years family rancher

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he said his daddy told him that

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you the one commonality about cows is

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they're gonna get loose and they're

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gonna die and he said

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that happens all the time i've seen a

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lot of dead cows i've not seen a cow die

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like this one and that's what panics

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these poor gentlemen

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and actually female we've had two female

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ranchers

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that have lost cows one female rancher

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last year in july

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lost two cows within two weeks they're

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used to their cows dying

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it happens from illness but some of the

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strange things

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there there's parts that are lasered off

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and the the laser cut is

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is i guess carterized around where there

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isn't any bleeding but there's no blood

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there's no blood anywhere

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the animals are found

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laying placed almost placed

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one of the explanations that i had from

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a veterinarian was

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well the cow was ready to give birth it

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was a breech birth

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and the breech birth killed the cow and

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i said well

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wouldn't the cow have struggled there

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wasn't any sign of struggle the cow just

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fell over dead now if a cow is

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in severe pain trying to give an

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unnatural birth it's going to struggle

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there's going to be kick marks

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everywhere

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but it wasn't it was just laying we've

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had cows that were found

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well this cow was found dead with part

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of its head missing and an utter missing

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we've had cows that were found dead the

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mother cow with the baby right next to

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it but the mother cow is taken down

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and the explanation from the police is

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well it was a predator

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but you would think that the predator

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would take the baby that was just born

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the calf wouldn't take down an 1100

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pound cow and leave the calf there

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all of these uh the

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the height is thick on a cow if you've

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ever tried to take a sample

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of of try and take a knife and cut your

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shoe

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difficult to do but these are laser cut

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off these laser

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cuts this has been happening since the

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early 70s

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and we've done some research and it

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hasn't been that many years since we've

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had

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portable lasers that you could take on

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site certainly not in the 70s

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why i think the big question is who's

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doing this and why

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why are they taking the cows mutilating

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them

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rancher that i just talked to

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yesterday said that he was missing a cow

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from two years ago the cow just turned

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up missing

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and he thought well you know it was a

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young cow a calf

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maybe it got carried off by a mountain

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lion

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maybe somebody cattle rustled him stole

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his cow

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and he didn't put any more mind to it

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but when you bring the cow

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back well now you start the questions

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and i know a lot of people think that

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it's the government doing it

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but why would they bring the cow back

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and cause all the controversy

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just take the cow take the cow do

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whatever you want dispose of it the

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rancher will think

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the cow was cattle russell rustled or

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something happened

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but they they're starting whoever is

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doing this or whatever is doing this is

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starting the controversy

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and we know that it's not a cult for

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many years it was explained away as

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being a cult

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these these cows are taken when they're

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dropped back they're dropped from above

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we've had impression marks we've had

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impression marks in

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ice we've had cows place a cow placed on

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the snow a cow placed on ice with no

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blood

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and if you've ever cut your finger and

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put it on an ice cube it'll the blood

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will fill the ice cube

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so why there's no blood in the ice

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whether it's no blood on snow

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well there's no blood in the area why

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some of these there's

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huge laser-cut holes out of these

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animals

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and there isn't any blood around a lot

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of times predators won't come around for

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days

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sometimes they won't come around for

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weeks you don't have

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maggots or bugs you don't have any other

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kind of an animal trying to eat off of

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these

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the the rest of the herd will swing wide

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they won't even go around it

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or they'll be upset some of these

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ranchers

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find these cows because one

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um the cows were circling the dead cow

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another one the cows stampeded away from

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it

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so the whole thing is very strange and

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at this point we don't know who or what

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is doing this but that's why we have the

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that's why we're doing the investigation

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that's why we're doing the research

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we're talking to the ranchers

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and i thank them so much for having the

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confidence in us

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to trust in us to try and find out

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what's happening

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if we find answers we're more than happy

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to get back with all the ranchers

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and give them some kind of answers

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because this is an expensive

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loss for these uh ranchers the calf

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i believe he said it was uh probably

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only four hundred dollars had grown up

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you're talking a lot more money some of

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these cows were worth as much as fifteen

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hundred

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and if you have a female calf it would

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have grown up it would have had calves

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and this would and those calves would

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have had calves one cow is a huge

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investment and to you

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lose it especially in this economy as a

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tragedy when i joined mufon

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i had the gentleman who signed me up

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asked me a very important question

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he said why are you joining mufon

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and it sounds like a simple question but

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i thought about it and i said well i

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want to know the truth

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i'm almost sorry i asked there's so much

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more truth out there than anyone can

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even begin to imagine

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education is everything what everybody

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needs to do

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is get online

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watch these shows on tv they're giving

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the information

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this is this information should and

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00:18:49,350 --> 00:18:48,400
is available out there but it's your

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right to know

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what is going on i hope someday for full

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disclosure

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i don't think it's ever going to happen

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in the united states eventually we'll

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know

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some of what's going on other countries

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are starting to release their files

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there are freedom of information act

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files

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that are available the fbi website you

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can go on there

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and i do a lot of research there and

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other places

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there are files available but everybody

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needs to educate themselves as to what

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is going on because ufos are real

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they're out there they've been around

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for thousands of years

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and i i believe

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that it's not something a person should

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be afraid of

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if we were going to be hurt by these ets

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if you want to call them that

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it would have happened a long time ago

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but i believe

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it's our right to know what's happening

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what's in our skies

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and what's going on around us we need

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some type of disclosure

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it's our right to know and i believe

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that if citizens were more active

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and asking that this information be

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released then i i

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believe that some of this would finally

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get released to the public

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and we'd have a few answers if you'd

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like more information about what's going

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on

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in the united states and across the

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world you can go to mufon.com

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all the information is there you can

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also go to your state so if you're more